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darkhavens
28 August 2007 @ 02:09 am
Plagiarism rears its ugly head
sheafrotherdon has pulled together a very compelling case against repeated plagiarist hotspur18 here in stop_plagiarism. (Follow the links in comments to see the full accounting.)

This isn't just one story (and hey, there's graphics too!), and it's not just one fandom. Multiple stories stolen and mutilated to fit different fandoms - HP, Buffyverse (my beloved Spander and more besides!), and I know she's also posted SGA and Firefly fic.

If you are involved in any way with a fandom awards site, you should really be watching stop_plagiarism. In fact, I think everyone in fandom should have it on their flist, not only so the plagiarists' names become well-known, but also because many of them have posted other fics and there's every possibility that they could belong to me, or you, or someone you love to read, and the mods need help tracking down the true authors.

All of my fic comms are affiliated with stop_plagiarism and each has a very obvious link to the comm on their profile page. I have no tolerance for plagiarists, especially not in fandom where comments are our only rewards and these people (scroll down, you'll find the list) are effectively stealing those rewards right out of our pockets.
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kitty_poker1kitty_poker1 on August 28th, 2007 08:49 am (UTC)
It's a sad situation. When it appeared to be an isolated incident, I think a lot of people were prepared to forgive and, maybe, eventually forget. But!! sheafrotherdon has done a spectacular job of pulling together all the evidence.

I feel sick for the mods of the comms who she's deceived, and the innocent readers who were taken in. :(
darkhavens: bitch [me]darkhavens on August 28th, 2007 05:04 pm (UTC)
When I saw Spander on the list I had to go and check the Bloodclaim archives. I did a search for hotspur all the way back to August last year but didn't find anything, which means she either didn't post there or she deleted before I got there. I know she's a member, but, as of last night, she's a member without posting privileges.
~Alice~: Mood fuck you by __alt_iconsvinniebatman on August 28th, 2007 06:08 pm (UTC)
It's a good think I don't have wicked mental abilities; otherwise those people would discover their computers blown up.
Stupid asses.
Elf's Deanaelfsiden on August 30th, 2007 10:54 pm (UTC)
It's strange how things work sometimes. I was following links in fics . . . I was seriously going to bore you with usernames etc, but I won't for brevity's sake. I read the comments on one fic, saw an avatar that fascinated me and opened that user's page, and then in that user's comments I saw YOUR avatar and it said "Fandom HQ" and I was all, "Oooh, I have to check this out." Then I saw this post and went over there and was completely floored.

(This is me being brief . . . my apologies.)

Very long story to just a long story, someone on my flist posted about someone's fic being plagiarized recently - this was maybe a few days ago so it was still fresh in my mind, plus I have this huge paranoia about either subconsciously pulling turns of phrase from another writer and plagiarizing them or being plagiarized myself. (I have a story site somewhere that I haven't maintained in forever - just short stories, not fandom related - and at the top of each page was a link to the US Copyright Law page.)

This morning I got a comment on a fic I recently wrote that really disturbed me. You can read it HERE. At first I was thinking wow, massively cool, because come on, everyone loves a good ego stroking. But then I looked and saw that it was an anonymous comment. And all KINDS of alarm bells went off. I'm really kind of, "What? No way!" about it, but I'm also really a little paranoid.

Okay, a lot paranoid.

I did an IP search and narrowed it down to an IP in Australia.

I've been kind of on and off thinking about it all day and having this huge negative response to it that I totally don't like. Maybe one reason it's bothering me is that she says at the end of her comment:
Sure I'll make a clear the origonal and source.

Which is what tipped me off in the first place. Because why would she feel like she had to say that? Wouldn't it be a given? Apparently not. In my happy little world (where cats float around the house on fluffy pink cotton candy clouds and shoot rainbows out their asses . . . ) we do this for our love of whatever fandom we happen to be immersed in. So this just wouldn't be done. WHY would we steal what amounts to pieces of other people's hearts to claim as our own?

Yeah, that sounded cheesy even to me and bordered on really badly-done angst. But you get my point I think.

Gah. Sorry for the long comment. Probably should have emailed it to you or something.

Thanks for the eye-opener.
darkhavens: crossed legs [me]darkhavens on August 31st, 2007 12:53 am (UTC)
I've just taken a look at your profile page and see that you have setissma friended. She had fic stolen in the case I highlighted above, so it was probably her case that got you chasing links over to here. (I do the same thing, btw. I've ended up in some very odd places on LJ just by clicking through my flist. *g*)

I've looked at that comment and, yeah, the fact that it's anonymous is a bit disturbing, but I do remember being linked to a site last year (I think) which hosted Supernatural fic translated into... it was either Japanese or Chinese, I'm not sure which.
Mpst were credited to the original authors, but I know that not everyone had been asked and given the chance to say no. (This might actually be why the commenter made a point of assuring you that credit would be given - because others haven't been so conscientious.)

Chances are that saying 'thanks but no' would be the end of it, but there's no way you'd ever know for certain, because google is no help at all when checking for translations.

If you decide to take it for the ego boost it is (and it is!) then comment and ask for a link to the finished article so you can check you've been credited. Then you can brag about being a translated author. *g*

we do this for our love of whatever fandom we happen to be immersed in. So this just wouldn't be done. WHY would we steal what amounts to pieces of other people's hearts to claim as our own?

It might be cheesy. but it's true - that's why I made this post in the first place. ;)
Elf's Deanaelfsiden on August 31st, 2007 08:47 pm (UTC)
Ooh . . yeah it very well could have been setissma's page I saw that on. (LOL about ending up in strange places . . . and good bloody luck trying to figure out how you got there . . . :) )

I've looked at that comment and, yeah, the fact that it's anonymous is a bit disturbing, but I do remember being linked to a site last year (I think) which hosted Supernatural fic translated into... it was either Japanese or Chinese, I'm not sure which.
I read this last night AFTER my hubby got home and I filled him in on this. *snicker* I'm glad one of us knows this stuff. Apparently the address I'd tracked the IP to wasn't in Australia . . . *that's* where the /whois was hosted. He walked me through doing it the right way and it tracked to an ISP in Korea.

I'm amazed at the kindness of the Universe sometimes . . . because yesterday at this time I was still stressing over this situation and then I was led here to you (which hubby was all "that's just the wonder that is the internetz" but I prefer to think of as intervention from something kindly that looks out for people . . . :) ) and you've given some really sound advice and kind of helped me make sense of it.

I think I may take it for the ego boost it is . . . and now that I think on it . . . he/she DID ask. It didn't occur to me that if they weren't being straight they didn't have to do that.

You've also helped me put my reply to her into words . . . because I could ask for the link so I can link to it on my page for bragging rights. :) That way she doesn't think that I'm being mean or suspicious.

Thanks again for helping me out with this. :)

darkhavensdarkhavens on September 9th, 2007 08:16 pm (UTC)
Hi! I found this while clearing out my inbox and was wondering how/if the situation was resolved. (I'm so nosey! *g*)
Elf's Deanaelfsiden on September 10th, 2007 03:31 pm (UTC)
LOL . . . naw, be as nosy as you like. I don't mind. :)

I replied to her comment and was nice about it. I said that she could do that on the condition that she mailed me the link so I could link to it on my page for bragging rights. (Basically I just wanted to make sure I got credit.) She never replied to that, though, so something inside me tells me that she'd just written that comment so she could have plausible deniability if it ever came back to bite her on the ass. But I do admit that I'm the suspicious type. :) Maybe it's totally above-board and she'll get me the link when she's done translating it.